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		<title>By: wyscj</title>
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		<dc:creator>wyscj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 03:22:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: xiaxia</title>
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		<dc:creator>xiaxia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Sep 2009 06:47:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Thomas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 17:34:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for views and URLs. It helps much as some add-on 2003-menues for 2007 to understand where the commands may be found now in 07.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Butt still, as with Netbooks vs Fullsize Notebook or Win XP vs Vista, who on earth needs Office 2007 ? If I may buy today Office 2003 I would as it fits much better to the small netbook screens. Office 2007 is simply no gain for my needs. KISS - keep it simple &amp; stupid is all we need.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for views and URLs. It helps much as some add-on 2003-menues for 2007 to understand where the commands may be found now in 07.</p>
<p>Butt still, as with Netbooks vs Fullsize Notebook or Win XP vs Vista, who on earth needs Office 2007 ? If I may buy today Office 2003 I would as it fits much better to the small netbook screens. Office 2007 is simply no gain for my needs. KISS &#8211; keep it simple &#038; stupid is all we need.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://www.liliputing.com/2009/03/microsoft-working-on-netbook-specific-version-of-office.html/comment-page-1#comment-16765</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 11:50:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ODF  (aka OpenDocument) version 1.2 incorporates a comprehensive, and better-than-microsoft specification for formulas called openformula.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Read all about it for yourself:&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenFormula&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenFormula&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Regarding Microsoft-sponsored ISO standards, this much (from the article above) is true:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&quot;The Office Open XML spreadsheet formula language is now part of the international standard ISO/IEC IS 29500:2008&quot;.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;What it doesn&#039;t tell you is that no software application ... none at all ... produces documents in that ISO/IEC IS 29500:2008 format.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Even Microsoft Office doesn&#039;t comply to the Microsoft-sponsored ISO/IEC IS 29500:2008 &quot;standard&quot;. No software program on earth does.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;BTW ... I can&#039;t really see how it can be called a &quot;standard&quot; if nothing at all implements it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ODF  (aka OpenDocument) version 1.2 incorporates a comprehensive, and better-than-microsoft specification for formulas called openformula.</p>
<p>Read all about it for yourself:<br /><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenFormula" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenFormula</a></p>
<p>Regarding Microsoft-sponsored ISO standards, this much (from the article above) is true:</p>
<p>&#8220;The Office Open XML spreadsheet formula language is now part of the international standard ISO/IEC IS 29500:2008&#8243;.</p>
<p>What it doesn&#39;t tell you is that no software application &#8230; none at all &#8230; produces documents in that ISO/IEC IS 29500:2008 format.</p>
<p>Even Microsoft Office doesn&#39;t comply to the Microsoft-sponsored ISO/IEC IS 29500:2008 &#8220;standard&#8221;. No software program on earth does.</p>
<p>BTW &#8230; I can&#39;t really see how it can be called a &#8220;standard&#8221; if nothing at all implements it.</p>
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		<title>By: Shaw</title>
		<link>http://www.liliputing.com/2009/03/microsoft-working-on-netbook-specific-version-of-office.html/comment-page-1#comment-16643</link>
		<dc:creator>Shaw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Mar 2009 08:48:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It IS bloated.  Java is part of the issue and really, OOo has more features than most normal people will ever need... Java may be much faster on the execution side than it used to be but it&#039;s still a relative memory hog.  I much prefer Abiword.  Much lighter on system resources and has plenty of functionality.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It IS bloated.  Java is part of the issue and really, OOo has more features than most normal people will ever need&#8230; Java may be much faster on the execution side than it used to be but it&#39;s still a relative memory hog.  I much prefer Abiword.  Much lighter on system resources and has plenty of functionality.</p>
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		<title>By: PrincessNybor</title>
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		<dc:creator>PrincessNybor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Mar 2009 05:03:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Even though I spend my day training people how to use Microsoft stuff, I own a Mac myself, and I also run Linux. I like to stay up-to-date on what&#039;s happening out in the &quot;real world&quot;, since it&#039;s easy to stay in the Microsoft bubble. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I will say this: Microsoft has the most seamless office productivity software from a workflow standpoint, especially with the integration between Exchange, Sharepoint, Groove, and the other Office 2007 programs. While others have attempted to replicate pieces of this functionality, I haven&#039;t seen anyone match it. Microsoft is huge, so it understands huge. [=^)&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;However, only large organizations really NEED that kind of integration. But any of the smaller shops who want to do business with them will often need to be familiar with the same tools. Or, at least pretend to be. And that&#039;s why Microsoft makes so much money.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Even though I spend my day training people how to use Microsoft stuff, I own a Mac myself, and I also run Linux. I like to stay up-to-date on what&#39;s happening out in the &#8220;real world&#8221;, since it&#39;s easy to stay in the Microsoft bubble. </p>
<p>I will say this: Microsoft has the most seamless office productivity software from a workflow standpoint, especially with the integration between Exchange, Sharepoint, Groove, and the other Office 2007 programs. While others have attempted to replicate pieces of this functionality, I haven&#39;t seen anyone match it. Microsoft is huge, so it understands huge. [=^)</p>
<p>However, only large organizations really NEED that kind of integration. But any of the smaller shops who want to do business with them will often need to be familiar with the same tools. Or, at least pretend to be. And that&#39;s why Microsoft makes so much money.</p>
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		<title>By: angryearthling</title>
		<link>http://www.liliputing.com/2009/03/microsoft-working-on-netbook-specific-version-of-office.html/comment-page-1#comment-16634</link>
		<dc:creator>angryearthling</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Mar 2009 04:56:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>accounts are the oddballs of the universe?  don&#039;t know many who would disagree :-)  but there sure are a lot of them.  i work as techsupport/programmer/joat so i see the oddest of the odd.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;organisations assuming people know how to use software?  bane of my life but have you tried to convince them otherwise?  they will always skimp on training.  when you buy hardware or software you have a shiny phusical box somewhere but when you buy training there is no visible tangible thing and some are worried that if they train staff the staff may leave taking their training with them.  i thought it was best summed up with the comment.  &#039;what if we train people and they leave? to which the response is what if you don&#039;t train them and they stay?&#039;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;i do think ms has a problem.  office 2007 isn&#039;t much different than office 95.  some new features but not many, it&#039;s mostly cosmetic changes.  but they have to be seen to show added value to justify the cost of upgrades.  so it&#039;s a whizz bang new interface and brand new incompatible file layouts.  in the various upgrades from 95 to 2003 most accepted the file layout differences.  2007 is the first time i&#039;ve heard so many complaints from average non technical people about file layout changes _and_ ui changes.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;thinking of it as similar to the vista revolt were people are going out of their way to avoid vista.  with office 2007 they will upgrade but quite a few are now looking towards alternatives.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;not a fan of ms.  have most family and friends on mac linux now as it drastically reducees the amount of time i spend supporting tech outside work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>accounts are the oddballs of the universe?  don&#39;t know many who would disagree <img src='http://www.liliputing.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />   but there sure are a lot of them.  i work as techsupport/programmer/joat so i see the oddest of the odd.</p>
<p>organisations assuming people know how to use software?  bane of my life but have you tried to convince them otherwise?  they will always skimp on training.  when you buy hardware or software you have a shiny phusical box somewhere but when you buy training there is no visible tangible thing and some are worried that if they train staff the staff may leave taking their training with them.  i thought it was best summed up with the comment.  &#39;what if we train people and they leave? to which the response is what if you don&#39;t train them and they stay?&#39;</p>
<p>i do think ms has a problem.  office 2007 isn&#39;t much different than office 95.  some new features but not many, it&#39;s mostly cosmetic changes.  but they have to be seen to show added value to justify the cost of upgrades.  so it&#39;s a whizz bang new interface and brand new incompatible file layouts.  in the various upgrades from 95 to 2003 most accepted the file layout differences.  2007 is the first time i&#39;ve heard so many complaints from average non technical people about file layout changes _and_ ui changes.  </p>
<p>thinking of it as similar to the vista revolt were people are going out of their way to avoid vista.  with office 2007 they will upgrade but quite a few are now looking towards alternatives.</p>
<p>not a fan of ms.  have most family and friends on mac linux now as it drastically reducees the amount of time i spend supporting tech outside work.</p>
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		<title>By: PrincessNybor</title>
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		<dc:creator>PrincessNybor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Mar 2009 04:53:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Apparently, an edit won&#039;t show up until there&#039;s a reply? Let&#039;s try this...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Apparently, an edit won&#39;t show up until there&#39;s a reply? Let&#39;s try this&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: PrincessNybor</title>
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		<dc:creator>PrincessNybor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Mar 2009 04:20:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One thing that might be VERY helpful for your accountants is this interactive command reference guide. It&#039;s kind of a 2003 -&gt; 2007 dictionary, of sorts.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/excel/HA10149&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/excel/HA10149&lt;/a&gt;...&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I hope that helps!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One thing that might be VERY helpful for your accountants is this interactive command reference guide. It&#39;s kind of a 2003 -&gt; 2007 dictionary, of sorts.</p>
<p><a href="http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/excel/HA10149" rel="nofollow">http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/excel/HA10149</a>&#8230;</p>
<p>I hope that helps!</p>
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		<title>By: PrincessNybor</title>
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		<dc:creator>PrincessNybor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Mar 2009 04:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Office 2007 has an inverted learning curve, due to the layout differences. I train people in how to use this software FOR A LIVING, and more than half the people walking through the door are convinced they&#039;ll hate it forever. And so far, EVERY SINGLE ONE likes the ribbon better than the old menu/toolbar, once they&#039;ve been trained how to use it. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Perhaps your accountants are the oddballs of the universe, but I&#039;m willing to bet it&#039;s the standard attitude I face every day. It&#039;s the same kind of people who hated the transition from DOS to Windows. Give me three hours with &#039;em, and see what they say. [=^D&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Unfortunately, a lot of organizations assume people &quot;just know&quot; how to use software, or they can &quot;just figure it out&quot; on their own. This isn&#039;t true for most people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Office 2007 has an inverted learning curve, due to the layout differences. I train people in how to use this software FOR A LIVING, and more than half the people walking through the door are convinced they&#39;ll hate it forever. And so far, EVERY SINGLE ONE likes the ribbon better than the old menu/toolbar, once they&#39;ve been trained how to use it. </p>
<p>Perhaps your accountants are the oddballs of the universe, but I&#39;m willing to bet it&#39;s the standard attitude I face every day. It&#39;s the same kind of people who hated the transition from DOS to Windows. Give me three hours with &#39;em, and see what they say. [=^D</p>
<p>Unfortunately, a lot of organizations assume people &#8220;just know&#8221; how to use software, or they can &#8220;just figure it out&#8221; on their own. This isn&#39;t true for most people.</p>
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		<title>By: angryearthling</title>
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		<dc:creator>angryearthling</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2009 20:07:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>at work we&#039;ve had dozens of requests from accountants and other folks who spend a long time looking at office begging us to get them a copy of ver 2003.  anything but 2007.  they hate it.  they&#039;ve tried it and now they realise just how much they hate it. some will even hint towards pirated versions (as 2003 is no longer available to us from our suppliers) which we won&#039;t provide or support.  some have started playing with open office.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;i avoid office like the plague myself.  i stick with vim for all my documentation/notes.  it has a fantastic outliner.  bit of a learning curve though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>at work we&#39;ve had dozens of requests from accountants and other folks who spend a long time looking at office begging us to get them a copy of ver 2003.  anything but 2007.  they hate it.  they&#39;ve tried it and now they realise just how much they hate it. some will even hint towards pirated versions (as 2003 is no longer available to us from our suppliers) which we won&#39;t provide or support.  some have started playing with open office.</p>
<p>i avoid office like the plague myself.  i stick with vim for all my documentation/notes.  it has a fantastic outliner.  bit of a learning curve though.</p>
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		<title>By: A no-nymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>A no-nymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2009 18:00:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Don&#039;t feed the troll&quot; wayne... I just did couple of posts above you... oh well ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Don&#39;t feed the troll&#8221; wayne&#8230; I just did couple of posts above you&#8230; oh well <img src='http://www.liliputing.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: A no-nymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>A no-nymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2009 17:57:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Raving fanboys, rabid trolls...&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;OOXML was rushed through ISO, with a lot of controversy, bribing (say &quot;Norway&quot;), and pressure on the ISO national bodies. My MS. So it was MS that was rushing it. There was no working implementation of their pseudo-standard at the time the standard was going through ISO. Their standard is bloated and confusing for the sore reason of making it impossible for other developers to create a compatible implementation. But hey Mr. Troll, that&#039;s why OOo is not 100% compatible w/ .doc. It&#039;s all reverse engineered from the MS implementation... &#039;cause they haven&#039;t really published .doc as a standard.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Well, anyway, that&#039;s the crash course in MS way of doing business... but hey, I guss you&#039;re all for it, so why not bend over,, grab your ankles and say &#039;uncle&#039;? &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Cheerios</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Raving fanboys, rabid trolls&#8230;</p>
<p>OOXML was rushed through ISO, with a lot of controversy, bribing (say &#8220;Norway&#8221;), and pressure on the ISO national bodies. My MS. So it was MS that was rushing it. There was no working implementation of their pseudo-standard at the time the standard was going through ISO. Their standard is bloated and confusing for the sore reason of making it impossible for other developers to create a compatible implementation. But hey Mr. Troll, that&#39;s why OOo is not 100% compatible w/ .doc. It&#39;s all reverse engineered from the MS implementation&#8230; &#39;cause they haven&#39;t really published .doc as a standard.</p>
<p>Well, anyway, that&#39;s the crash course in MS way of doing business&#8230; but hey, I guss you&#39;re all for it, so why not bend over,, grab your ankles and say &#39;uncle&#39;? </p>
<p>Cheerios</p>
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		<title>By: Keith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Keith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2009 16:25:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Office has enough SKUs as it is; I&#039;d rather them just rename Student/Teacher edition to something more like Office Express (Word, Excel, and Powerpoint), and sell it for $100. (FWIW, I&#039;m running Office 2007 Ultimate with Visio and Project added on; it&#039;s really overkill, especially since I&#039;m down to 1.5 GB left of disk space. Access is IMO pointless on any machine, and Publisher really needs more screen space, plus MS is phasing out Outlook as a consumer mail application)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Office has enough SKUs as it is; I&#39;d rather them just rename Student/Teacher edition to something more like Office Express (Word, Excel, and Powerpoint), and sell it for $100. (FWIW, I&#39;m running Office 2007 Ultimate with Visio and Project added on; it&#39;s really overkill, especially since I&#39;m down to 1.5 GB left of disk space. Access is IMO pointless on any machine, and Publisher really needs more screen space, plus MS is phasing out Outlook as a consumer mail application)</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2009 14:19:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>see&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://blogs.msdn.com/microsoft_office_word/archive/2009/03/02/word-throwback-just-write-edition1.aspx&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://blogs.msdn.com/microsoft_office_word/arc...&lt;/a&gt;</description>
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